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Public Sector Sustainable Development Group Meetings

Date:  9th December 2004 - Meeting #6

Venue:  Lamp Recycling Company, Aldershot

Theme: Waste & Recycling

Round the table update focusing on waste and recycling issues

Tony Hubbard – Primary Care Trust:
Tony is putting management systems in place across the 150 Primary Care Trust sites that he manages.  Waste management is a huge issue, especially clinical waste, as there are sites all across Hampshire, each with a bin, so logistically it is difficult to get one contractor to cover all the sites.

Solutions suggested were to contact ‘Flagship’ who manage waste, however they themselves do not collect the waste, they are contractors.  If the Primary Care Trust want to manage the contracts so flagship may not be any help.  Canon Hygiene is an option as they sometimes collect clinical waste when they collect sanitary waste.  It was also suggested that TH talk to Brian Cambridge at Winchester & Eastleigh Healthcare NHS Trust as he is in a similar situation.

It was felt that it was unlikely that any waste company was going to be willing to do both clinical and ‘normal’ waste.  There is very little staff awareness about waste issues, TH felt that the waste systems needed to be in place first before he dealt with staff awareness.

Phil Wheaton – Royal Navy:
The Government are agreeing new waste targets for the public sector to increase the amount of waste recycled and reduce the amount of waste going to landfill, it is anticipated that these will be agreed in the next 4-6 months. PW has been involved in ensuring the targets are ‘sensible’ and achievable, it is anticipated that the recycling targets will be around 60% and will rise year on year.  Once the targets and waste policy has been approved PW will be writing a policy for the MoD to aid implementation, waste from ships is an issue and the majority of waste from sites is green waste. 

The MoD already has an energy and water strategy so waste is a logical step.  Once this policy has been written all MoD sites will have to implement and achieve the targets. PW agreed to bring this policy document to the Public Sector Group Meeting once it has been written.                             PW

LC to check if this legislation will effect all Public Sectors.                                                            LC

Paul Cook – Royal Navy:
Current recycling rates across the Navy vary considerably at present, it is often localised with local contracts are in place.  The new targets mentioned above are going to be based on the best practice found in RNAS Culdrose where recycling rates are at 70%.  Once the new policy is in place the MoD will be promoting Culdrose as best practice and an example of how to achieve the new targets.  At Culdrose the income generated by the recycling scheme has created enough funds to employ an additional member of staff who sorts the waste in an empty hanger on site.  The recycling has reduced the ¾ of a million pound waste disposal bill by a considerable amount.  However as the commanding officer has the power to redistribute the funds saved the site has benefited from the scheme.  There is a case study (or further information) on this project.  PC to send LC a copy of this so that it can go in the HNRI Newsletter.                                                                               PCook

Procurement – The Defence Procurement Agency deals with all procurement issues for the MoD so local sites have very little choice over the products they purchase, therefore reduction in waste through waste minimisation is not really possible.

Waste Minimisation – When Phil Cross stared recycling at the prison they also looked at where their waste came from and solved a lot of their waste problems at source.  Tony Hubbard also did this but warned that by reducing waste at source your recycling levels are reduced and you could loose audit points.

Lucy Martins – Basingstoke & Dean Borough Council:
Lucy is one of two people working at Basingstoke & Dean Borough Council on sustainable development initiatives.  Lucy looks at project implementation while her colleague does the more strategic level work.  They have recently implemented recycling initiatives across the council and there is a lot of work to do in relation to changing people behaviour patterns. Bin checks have been carried out which raised a lot of awareness however when they were checked again they were only 25% better.  They are working with recycling champions, all at middle management level, across the council, however this is at a very early stages so there has been little progress, it is however an aim to get those at the top to promote recycling.  Phil Cross recommended getting a five/ten minute slot at all new staff inductions as this allows you to find people in the organisation who are interested in helping as well as make sure everyone understands the recycling and other sustainable development systems in place.  PC offered to show LM around the prison to see how the scheme was set up there. PC/LM

It was felt that the recycling scheme set up at Basingstoke & Dean Borough Council may be the only one like it in a council office, LC and CW were very interested to know who collects the waste and how the scheme was set up as it could be replicated in other councils.  LM to send CW/LC some more information on the scheme, who is collecting it, how much, what and how often so that LC can promote scheme in HNRI Newsletter and circulate information to group, a case study could also be created.  LM is also going to look into where the waste goes to check the chain does not break down, by finding out what the recyclate is made into LM should be able to promote recycling further in the council.                                                                                                                             LM

Graham Starke - Hampshire Fire & Rescue:
Paper and cardboard is currently going to Marchwood to be shredded and then sent to a local veterinary centre for animal bedding.  There are 52 fire stations and Graham is trying to co-ordinate their systems to make them more cost effective.  They have made some positive progress, water and sewerage rates have been reduced due to the installation of new meters, unfortunately the savings go back to the corporate level so they have not been realised for more environmental initiatives.  However corporate incentives have been put in place, if water, energy and waste is reduced and savings made then they will receive additional equipment for their gym. 

Recycling initiatives could be set up as a van does go out to each site a couple of times a week and could collect the recycling and bring it back to the HQ.  Problems would occur on site as there is little space to store recycling, Graham is developing a policy for how to implement this.

Wider waste/fire issues were discussed and links to social problems were raised and how increased awareness of recycling could help reduce the number of bin fires. GS to send LC the figures for how many bin fires there are a month in Hampshire as this could link to wider HNRI social issues similar to the abandoned vehicles work in Gosport and Southampton.                                                   GS

Paula Gilfillan - Royal Navy:
A questionnaire was sent to all sites and staff to find out what was done with waste across the sites, from the results co-ordinated recycling and waste contracts were set up, this has increased the amount of recycling collected at a more reasonable cost and reduced overall waste collection costs.  Sienna also did a waste review and identified where saving could be made.  The Navy has Environmental Protection Officers who are responsible for environmental issues and they monitor any problems or issues and ensure they are getting the best deal from the contractors.  A review of the waste needs to be done and contracts changed to facilitate this.

Initiatives to create a paperless office are underway and a new electronic filing system has been developed and new procedures have been issued to stop people printing large reports and papers.  PG used a consultant to help them save money on their water and sewerage bills.  Meters can be placed in your incoming and outgoing water pipes which allow you to monitor exactly the amount of water used over a given period.  This then reduces your water bill and often results in a rebate from the water company.  The consultants PG used were AML Consultants who are based in Caterham, their number is 01883 330123 and the contact is Martin Walters.

Brain Cambridge - Winchester & Eastleigh Healthcare NHS Trust:
Most of their waste goes to landfill and at present the only segregation is clinical waste and often this is not segregated and as clinical waste costs a lot more to dispose of it, is costing additional money.  Brian is looking to set up recycling systems but needs to discuss this with the environmental manager who deals with waste, energy, water etc. however it is not really a focus for the NHS.  Cardboard is currently being recycled through the prison project but at a cost.  Brian would be interested to know if there is a new directive about waste  in the public sector coming out as it could greatly effect them.

Phil Cross - HM Prison Service - Winchester:
Has been raising awareness in the prison about sustainable development and recycling which is going very well and the focus at the moment is green travel plans.  Phil is working with some good environmental champions at the prison who are very enthusiastic.  The construction of the recycling centre is due to start in Jan and should be completed by April, this is a joint scheme with Winchester Mental Health Alliance for the collection of cardboard, an existing scheme is already operational in Fareham, Portsmouth and Gosport. To get involved in this scheme please contact:

Tim Kent of The Winchester Alliance for Mental Health Tel:01962 869211. 

Discussion on the future of the group

It would be good to have a wider representation from the public sector on the group, it was identified that missing sectors were: army, police, universities and the marine and coastal agency (as Jane Clark has now left).  If anyone has any contacts within any of these sectors please forward their details to LC.

Invited Guests – guests are good to keep the bigger picture focus, the members of the group will also be able to learn from those outside the public sector.  MF agreed to add the public sector group members to the Business Environment Forum distribution list.                                                      MF

Sustainable Development Management Chain Diagrams – diagrams have been produced from the health care trusts, the prison, HNRI, the marine and coastal agency and the MoD.  Lucy Martins and Graham Starke to produce diagrams and forward to Phil Wheaton.                                  LM & GS

Terms of Reference for the Group – these were discussed and agreed after a few amendments were made, LC to update and circulate to group.

Themes for future meetings – many issues have been covered by the group so far it was agreed that some of these can be revisited.  

Themes for next year include:

  • WEEE and Hazardous waste
  • Water
  • Energy
  • Renewable Energy
  • Green Travel Plans

Other themes included, community/social/voluntary sector and biodiversity and could be considered the following year.

Venues for future meetings - Graham Starke agreed to host another meeting at the Fire HQ, possibly in connection with the water/pollution theme with some added fire safety sessions. Phil Wheaton offered the Naval base towards the end of next year and Phil Cross said another meeting could be held at the prison. Other venues included Chineham Energy Recovery Plant in Basingstoke and Southampton airport. 

Date for the next meeting is Thursday 11th March and the focus will be Utilities (water, gas and electricity). LC to find guest speakers and a venue.                                                                      LC

Presentation by Campbell Williams on Hampshire Natural Resources Initiative

The Hampshire Natural Resources Initiative (HNRI) aims to achieve a step change in the way people in Hampshire, the region and the country perceive and use natural resources. It is about making a concerted effort to grasp opportunities and overcome barriers to using natural resources more efficiently and effectively.  HNRI looks at a wide range of issues, air, biodiversity, climate change, energy, minerals, soil, water and waste.  At present the focus of the team at Hampshire County Council is on waste and minerals as a new strategy for material resource use in Hampshire is being developed and a wide number of stakeholders are being consulted.  CW to send group some questions relating to HNRI issues and the new material resources strategy to gain their input into our work.                                                                                                                                        CW

Sustainable Business Awards

Maggie Francis of the Hampshire and Isle of Wight Business Environment Forum attended the meeting as the group is a sub-group of the BEF.  Maggie highlighted the up and coming Sustainable Business Awards to the group and encouraged all those present (and not) to apply under the public sector category.  All members of the group will be sent details once they are published but if anyone would like any further information please contact Maggie Francis at bef@chamber.org.uk 

Presentation and Tour of Lamp Recycling Company by Norman Kemp, Managing Director of the Lamp Recycling Company

Norman Kemp from the Lamp Recycling Company gave a presentation to the group on lamp recycling and showed those willing around the factory. 

Those interested in having their lamps recycled should contact Norman Kemp on 01252 311007 or by e-mail at lamp.recycling@virgin.net 

Recycled lamps can be purchased and are recognisable due to their green end caps.  The model to ask for is the Philips ‘TL’D Super 80 and the ‘TL’5 – these lamps contain 98% recycled material.  On the whole the slim line (26mm) fluorescent tubes use 8% less electricity and are cheaper than the older 38mm tubes.

Date of next meeting - Thursday, 11th March 2004

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